Do police rely too heavily on Tasers? Fri, June 19, 2009
Robert Dziekanski’s mother has filed a lawsuit alleging excessive force and “cruel and unusual” treatment by the four RCMP officers who stunned her son with a Taser.
The BC attorney general due to mounting pressure,has decided after hearing all the phonney notes and lies and the obvious coverup happening from these 4 cops that when the inquiry is done,he may take the advice from Thomas R. Braidwood and re open a criminal inquiry.
He is said to be particularly upset that all 4 cops have admited to giving false statements to the police inquiry that was to have determined if criminal charges should have been brought to the 4 cops. Plus the obvious perjury that has happened.
Good for you Wally Oppal
And its almost a certainty that the Polish government is going to charge the 4 cops
EH?
tweetypie, 2009-03-26 09:26:58
twitpie the idiot can look at a video and get a different view than me but call me a liar. Can also do the Same to the RCMP.
Funny how two people looking at the exact same thing see something completely different.
Its not lieing, its perspective and impression.
Idiot
What experts
From the time he is first shocked until the time the RCMP gets on top of him 15 SECONDS elapse on the video.
If they zap him for another 16 seconds after that the RCMP who are touching him are getting zapped too. Don't see them even flinching in pain.
Shouldnt the 15 seconds of zapping have killed the other two officers holding him at the time?
Running is a voluntary muscle control motion. That impulse from the brain which is in the form of electrical is supposed to be overruled by the higher electrical impulse of the tazer resulting in involuntary muscle contractions like rigged shaking. It does not happen.
If there are thirty one seconds of shocking then this man should not have had the muscle control he did and the officers should have been shocked too.
That did not happen. the tazer did not function as it should.
wayne, 2009-03-26 08:37:20
wayne says..
"When on the ground victim contines kicking feet in a running controlled fashion"
Kinda like what a lot of living creatures do when they are dieing eh?
wayne says Robert was only tazered 15 seconds.
Funny.
All the experts say he was tazerd 31 seconds.Most of that being when he was already down.4 of the 5 blasts when he was already down.
I guess wayne is calling the lieing RCMP liars
wayne says..
" Victim runs 10 feet while being tazered. "
Thats hilarious
I mean,wayne,where do you come up with this stuff from?
Where?
"Hours after Dziekanski died, Millington wrote in his police notebook that he Tasered him three times but he didn’t fall, so the four Mounties had to wrestle him to the ground. “It was wrong, right?” asked Kosteckyj. Millington agreed his notes were wrong and his first two police statements were wrong."
Of course all of that,of which all 4 cops said was the way it was,has now been shown to be a lie.
He went down after the first blast,he was blasted 5 times,not three.And he was not wrestled to the floor,he fell after the first shock
Giving incorrect(lieing) statements to a police inquiry would get an ordinary citizen in heaps of trouble.These guys somehow seem to be imune to that
EH?
tweetypie, 2009-03-25 18:38:00
tape shows 15 seconds from tazer to cops getting on top (can't tazer when touching or anyone touching will also get tazered)
Things that are supposed to happen when tazered. All Muuscular control gone.
What actually happens. Victim runs 10 feet while being tazered. Victim raises arm above head while being tazered.
When on the ground victim contines kicking feet in a running controlled fashion.
This tazer was not cutting off voluntary muscular action.
It was not functioning properly.
This would indicate not enough charge was getting to the suspect to overide all muscular electrical impulses in the body. Its designed function.
wayne, 2009-03-25 14:17:23
And the lies just keep coming and exposes
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"We had such a hard time getting him controlled," Cpl. Robinson told inquiry commission lawyer Art Vertlieb on Monday morning.
Such a hard time, getting him controlled: But can anyone following the inquiry fall for this line anymore? The Pritchard video tells a different story.
Cpl. Robinson agreed that on confronting Mr. Dziekanski at the Vancouver airport, on Oct. 14, 2007, police found him not the "intoxicated, non-white," window-smashing lunatic described just a bit earlier by a police dispatcher.
As the airport's detachment supervisor that night, Cpl. Robinson had to assess the scene. Mr. Dziekanski, he recalled yesterday, "was complying with [the other three RCMP] members" after they approached him.
The corporal said he then decided to take charge of the situation. Pointing a gloved finger and moving towards him, he directed Mr. Dziekanski to an airport counter. Again, clear compliance.
, Cpl. Robinson told a homicide investigator, hours after the incident. He was "swinging it ... swinging it ... in an attempt to hit us ... swinging it ... it's an aggressive step, swinging ... he tried to hit us with it."
Twelve times in that police statement did Cpl. Robinson use the words "swinging" or "swing" when describing Mr. Dziekanski's handling of the metal stapler.
As the Pritchard video demonstrates, Mr. Dziekanski did not swing the stapler at the four RCMP officers. He did not attempt to hit them with it. The stapler was knocked out of his right hand with the first jolt of a police-deployed Taser.
To justify their use of force, seemed the only answer. But Cpl. Robinson took a different tack. Mr. Dziekanski "did turn his body but it was more or less turning with the stapler than brandishing it," the officer explained. "And at the time I used the articulation of ‘swinging it.' And I didn't clearly articulate it well."
Some of Cpl. Robinson's three subordinates made remarkably similar "mistakes," in their notes of the incident or in statements to homicide investigators. Constable Bill Bentley had jotted in his police notebook that Mr. Dziekanski "grabbed a stapler and came at members screaming." In his incident summary report, Constable Kwesi Millington wrote that Mr. Dziekanski "swung a stapler at the members wildly with his arms."
And in his statement to a homicide investigator, the inquiry learned yesterday, Cpl. Robinson was asked how Mr. Dziekanski wound up on the airport carpet.
"He had to be wrestled to the ground," the corporal said.
He didn't fall because of the Taser?
"No," Cpl. Robinson told the investigator. That was another mistake, he admitted yesterday. One that other officers had made as well."
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EH?
tweetypie, 2009-03-25 10:25:18
Robinson is required to update his first aid training every three years.When asked why he hasnt done so,he just snotily answered " because I didnt"
EH?
tweetypie, 2009-03-25 09:57:18
Vancouver has a new gang.
The RCMP GANG, going after anyone who has had contact
with a stapler.First aid is not needed just a 4 hour
coarse in useing a stapler
remover.
bruce, 2009-03-25 09:15:06
check out the video
15 seconds elapse
Not 31
6 of it he is standing up
After 15 seconds they get on top of him and they don't tazerthen because they would get the shock too.
15 seconds idiot.
wayne, 2009-03-25 08:31:03
Wow.Did you see this killer of two people so sntily answering questions.
When it was said to him his notes were not accurate,he just snotily said"NO"
When it was said to him Robert was not wrestled to the ground as your notes said he was he just snotily said"NO"
When it was said to him Robert was not waving a stapler over his head and coming at you as your notes said he snotily answered"NO"
So,We have 4 cops who all had the same misinformation and misleading statements in their notes
All 4 have agreed their notes were wrong.
But all 4 got it exactly the same way wrong?
And they say they did not get together to concoct a story before they knew about the video.
5 months after driving drunk,killing a man,leaving the scene and failing 2 breathalyzers,this killer lieing cop has yet to be charged with anything.
WHY?
Because it is the police who are investigating him.
What is to be investigated.He failed two breathalyzers.
Any one who is not a cop who fails a breathalyzer is charged on the spot for that.
Killing a person ,yes needs an investigation,but not failing a breathalyzer
EH?
tweetypie, 2009-03-24 21:40:30
What are you blabbering about now wayne?
He was tazered for 31 seconds.25 of those seconds when he was on the ground screaming in pain and dieing
God you are weird
Now the lieing cops are calling each other liars.
Drunk driver and killer of two people Monty Robinson and lead cop says he checked Roberts pulse and checked his breathing.
The other three cops say he didnt!!!
Robinson said he thought Robert was turning blue (his face) because he thought he was getting a bruise!!!
Robinson,a cop,let his first aid certificate expire,over FIVE YEARS AGO.
A cop with no first aid certificate. Something he could have got in a one day training session.
Do police rely too heavily on Tasers?
He is said to be particularly upset that all 4 cops have admited to giving false statements to the police inquiry that was to have determined if criminal charges should have been brought to the 4 cops. Plus the obvious perjury that has happened.
Good for you Wally Oppal
And its almost a certainty that the Polish government is going to charge the 4 cops
EH?
tweetypie, 2009-03-26 09:26:58
Funny how two people looking at the exact same thing see something completely different.
Its not lieing, its perspective and impression.
Idiot
What experts
From the time he is first shocked until the time the RCMP gets on top of him 15 SECONDS elapse on the video.
If they zap him for another 16 seconds after that the RCMP who are touching him are getting zapped too. Don't see them even flinching in pain.
Shouldnt the 15 seconds of zapping have killed the other two officers holding him at the time?
Running is a voluntary muscle control motion. That impulse from the brain which is in the form of electrical is supposed to be overruled by the higher electrical impulse of the tazer resulting in involuntary muscle contractions like rigged shaking. It does not happen.
If there are thirty one seconds of shocking then this man should not have had the muscle control he did and the officers should have been shocked too.
That did not happen. the tazer did not function as it should.
wayne, 2009-03-26 08:37:20
"When on the ground victim contines kicking feet in a running controlled fashion"
Kinda like what a lot of living creatures do when they are dieing eh?
wayne says Robert was only tazered 15 seconds.
Funny.
All the experts say he was tazerd 31 seconds.Most of that being when he was already down.4 of the 5 blasts when he was already down.
I guess wayne is calling the lieing RCMP liars
wayne says..
" Victim runs 10 feet while being tazered. "
Thats hilarious
I mean,wayne,where do you come up with this stuff from?
Where?
"Hours after Dziekanski died, Millington wrote in his police notebook that he Tasered him three times but he didn’t fall, so the four Mounties had to wrestle him to the ground. “It was wrong, right?” asked Kosteckyj. Millington agreed his notes were wrong and his first two police statements were wrong."
Of course all of that,of which all 4 cops said was the way it was,has now been shown to be a lie.
He went down after the first blast,he was blasted 5 times,not three.And he was not wrestled to the floor,he fell after the first shock
Giving incorrect(lieing) statements to a police inquiry would get an ordinary citizen in heaps of trouble.These guys somehow seem to be imune to that
EH?
tweetypie, 2009-03-25 18:38:00
Things that are supposed to happen when tazered. All Muuscular control gone.
What actually happens. Victim runs 10 feet while being tazered. Victim raises arm above head while being tazered.
When on the ground victim contines kicking feet in a running controlled fashion.
This tazer was not cutting off voluntary muscular action.
It was not functioning properly.
This would indicate not enough charge was getting to the suspect to overide all muscular electrical impulses in the body. Its designed function.
wayne, 2009-03-25 14:17:23
______________
"We had such a hard time getting him controlled," Cpl. Robinson told inquiry commission lawyer Art Vertlieb on Monday morning.
Such a hard time, getting him controlled: But can anyone following the inquiry fall for this line anymore? The Pritchard video tells a different story.
Cpl. Robinson agreed that on confronting Mr. Dziekanski at the Vancouver airport, on Oct. 14, 2007, police found him not the "intoxicated, non-white," window-smashing lunatic described just a bit earlier by a police dispatcher.
As the airport's detachment supervisor that night, Cpl. Robinson had to assess the scene. Mr. Dziekanski, he recalled yesterday, "was complying with [the other three RCMP] members" after they approached him.
The corporal said he then decided to take charge of the situation. Pointing a gloved finger and moving towards him, he directed Mr. Dziekanski to an airport counter. Again, clear compliance.
, Cpl. Robinson told a homicide investigator, hours after the incident. He was "swinging it ... swinging it ... in an attempt to hit us ... swinging it ... it's an aggressive step, swinging ... he tried to hit us with it."
Twelve times in that police statement did Cpl. Robinson use the words "swinging" or "swing" when describing Mr. Dziekanski's handling of the metal stapler.
As the Pritchard video demonstrates, Mr. Dziekanski did not swing the stapler at the four RCMP officers. He did not attempt to hit them with it. The stapler was knocked out of his right hand with the first jolt of a police-deployed Taser.
Why, inquiry commission lawyer Vertlieb asked yesterday, had Cpl. Robinson claimed otherwise?
To justify their use of force, seemed the only answer. But Cpl. Robinson took a different tack. Mr. Dziekanski "did turn his body but it was more or less turning with the stapler than brandishing it," the officer explained. "And at the time I used the articulation of ‘swinging it.' And I didn't clearly articulate it well."
Some of Cpl. Robinson's three subordinates made remarkably similar "mistakes," in their notes of the incident or in statements to homicide investigators. Constable Bill Bentley had jotted in his police notebook that Mr. Dziekanski "grabbed a stapler and came at members screaming." In his incident summary report, Constable Kwesi Millington wrote that Mr. Dziekanski "swung a stapler at the members wildly with his arms."
And in his statement to a homicide investigator, the inquiry learned yesterday, Cpl. Robinson was asked how Mr. Dziekanski wound up on the airport carpet.
"He had to be wrestled to the ground," the corporal said.
He didn't fall because of the Taser?
"No," Cpl. Robinson told the investigator. That was another mistake, he admitted yesterday. One that other officers had made as well."
________________
EH?
tweetypie, 2009-03-25 10:25:18
EH?
tweetypie, 2009-03-25 09:57:18
The RCMP GANG, going after anyone who has had contact
with a stapler.First aid is not needed just a 4 hour
coarse in useing a stapler
remover.
bruce, 2009-03-25 09:15:06
15 seconds elapse
Not 31
6 of it he is standing up
After 15 seconds they get on top of him and they don't tazerthen because they would get the shock too.
15 seconds idiot.
wayne, 2009-03-25 08:31:03
When it was said to him his notes were not accurate,he just snotily said"NO"
When it was said to him Robert was not wrestled to the ground as your notes said he was he just snotily said"NO"
When it was said to him Robert was not waving a stapler over his head and coming at you as your notes said he snotily answered"NO"
So,We have 4 cops who all had the same misinformation and misleading statements in their notes
All 4 have agreed their notes were wrong.
But all 4 got it exactly the same way wrong?
And they say they did not get together to concoct a story before they knew about the video.
5 months after driving drunk,killing a man,leaving the scene and failing 2 breathalyzers,this killer lieing cop has yet to be charged with anything.
WHY?
Because it is the police who are investigating him.
What is to be investigated.He failed two breathalyzers.
Any one who is not a cop who fails a breathalyzer is charged on the spot for that.
Killing a person ,yes needs an investigation,but not failing a breathalyzer
EH?
tweetypie, 2009-03-24 21:40:30
He was tazered for 31 seconds.25 of those seconds when he was on the ground screaming in pain and dieing
God you are weird
Now the lieing cops are calling each other liars.
Drunk driver and killer of two people Monty Robinson and lead cop says he checked Roberts pulse and checked his breathing.
The other three cops say he didnt!!!
Robinson said he thought Robert was turning blue (his face) because he thought he was getting a bruise!!!
Robinson,a cop,let his first aid certificate expire,over FIVE YEARS AGO.
A cop with no first aid certificate. Something he could have got in a one day training session.
Too busy drinking and driving I guess
EH?
tweetypie, 2009-03-24 19:25:47