Do police rely too heavily on Tasers? Fri, June 19, 2009
Robert Dziekanski’s mother has filed a lawsuit alleging excessive force and “cruel and unusual” treatment by the four RCMP officers who stunned her son with a Taser.
REAL GUNS ARE THE ONLY WAY TO STOP THESE THUGS. THEY ALL HAVE GUNS WHICH ARE OBTAINED ILLEGALLY. LOCK THEM UP FOREVER AND VOTE OUT THESE LILY LIVERED POLITICIANS
GORDON WEAVER, 2007-12-15 01:50:19
Reverend Scott Robb,your description of what happened at Vancouver Airport, if not for the fact it is very insulting to a dead man could be considered to be very funny.
frank gets honourable mention for saying something also just as silly as to what happened at the airport.
EH?
tweetypie, 2007-12-14 19:40:27
CNEWS says..
"Kelowna RCMP have apologized to a 68-year-old man who was hit twice with a Taser as he sat in his car in downtown Kelowna last month.
RCMP Supt. Bill McKinnon says the officer who hit John Peters made a tactical error. But he said an administrative review of the incident found Peters was combative with the officer trying to arrest him.
McKinnon says a code of conduct investigation is underway as to whether the general public would find the officer's actions disgraceful and the officer, a four-year veteran, could face disciplinary action."
Also from CNEWS
"Its report makes 46 additional recommendations dealing with everything from recruitment and performance evaluations to public relations and ethics.
The hefty volume came the same day the beleaguered Mounties said they would restrict officer use of Tasers after a watchdog report criticized the police force for firing the stun guns too frequently."
CNEWS goes on to say..
"The RCMP says it will restrict its use of Tasers after a report criticized the national police force for firing the stun guns too often,"
EH?
tweetypie, 2007-12-14 18:33:43
The immigrant in the Vancouver airport was never stepped on! And, he was not picked up off the ground because he continued to resist while, and following, being cuffed.
He was tasered twice in order to bring him under enough control to be cuffed... since he kept fighting he was held down until he stopped resisting... this is proper procedure considering people have legs and still can pose just as much of a threat with their arms behind their back as when they are still gesturing aggressively.
Kids who are killed are gesturing as if they are pulling out weapons from clothing... Police training is to shoot as soon as the person makes a threatening gesture... whether that is reaching into a pocket, holding a knife (or even a stapler or water bottle), or raising a firearm!
This is the job of Police, to protect the public by neutralizing the risk of violence from individuals!
Just because 99% of all North Americans are ignorant of Law Enforcement and Security Procedure does not make lethal force any less necessary when it is used... or what the general public sees as excessive any less reasonable! The same can be said about the incidents at the Stanley Cup Final in 2006 in Edmonton when several people were given "brachial hits" (a hand hitting a pressure-point in the neck used to stun a resistant individual) which were perceived as being excessive, yet were exactly what Police and Security Personal are trained to do in order to keep control of situations!
Reverend Scott Robb, 2007-12-14 17:30:11
Vince, have you ever heard of "ASSAULT"?! No matter what anyone does to you, if you so much as touch that person without knowing what you are legally allowed to do (or without training in making proper arrests) you WILL be arrested for assault, possibly even unlawful confinement if you hold him for the wrong charge.
Further, if you beat someone up for doing something to you, or your family/friends and that person dies within "a year and a day" of that beating, under Canadian Law, you will go to jail for manslaughter or 2nd degree murder!
Grow up and leave such things to the professionals (properly trained Police and Security Officers who deal with this sort of thing all the time).
For the record, I am an academy trained security officer, graduated second in my class, and I have over three years of security experience in which I have been involved in the arrest of, so far, three individuals (one of which was arrested for possession of a concealed weapon)...
Reverend Scott Robb, 2007-12-14 17:19:19
what are you all complaining about? the guy should have done as he was told, officers dont need to tell you twice just once and if your still being a buthead then your going to get lit up or shot. unless youve been in an officers shoes you'll never understand what they go through. you bash officers until your in trouble and call them to save your behind. if the guy in utah didnt walk and place his hands in his pockets he wouldnt have kissed the pavement. if people are going to be in this country they had better understand and talk english if there going to behave like idiots. they should think about how they wouldve be dealt with in the country there from, im sure they were just talked to. you bleeding hearts need to think how safe you would be without our officers who put there lives on the lines every day not knowing if the next person they have to deal pulls out a weapon. so support our officers cause they have to deal with the worst of humanity on a daily basis when we only have to read about.
frank, 2007-12-14 13:39:05
According to Paul Kennedy, the Commissioner for Public Complaints Against the RCMP,in a report released yesterday, indeed the answer to the question is YES
EH?
tweetypie, 2007-12-14 12:39:04
I know I can't kill someone like in the USA but I can sure make him realize his mistakes.
As for what Rodney King has done since he was beat half to death is irrelevant. It's obvious what the cops did to him was excess or they would not have been sent to jail for 30 months.
This shows that you are a narrow minded fool and can't see the truth.
You're defending the cops even when they are proved wrong and found guilty in a court of law.
As for anything being a weapon, I guess that's why cops have killed kids with cell phones, ipods etc.
And if you think what you say is true about cuffed and on your stomach then the cops didn't follow that procedure either.
It doesn't matter what way you look at it this guy should not have been tased twice, cuffed, and stepped on by 4 cops and all this before they even tried to figure out what he was saying.
vince, 2007-12-14 09:07:50
Vince you ever hear of aids or hep c. You get it when someone carrying it bites you and it has happened many times.
People have been killed by many objects and anything used the right way can kill you. Had a freind in a coma for one week falling and hitting his head on a curb.
wayne, 2007-12-13 16:17:16
Ya that was a travesty
Oh buy the way Rodney king had been in jail before that, and since then on assault and drug charges. He stiffed his lawyers and spent his settlement money.
Pillar of society.
But you seem to like those guys vince. Why don't you give the rodney kings of the world a call when you are in trouble.
wayne, 2007-12-13 16:14:37
Do police rely too heavily on Tasers?
GORDON WEAVER, 2007-12-15 01:50:19
frank gets honourable mention for saying something also just as silly as to what happened at the airport.
EH?
tweetypie, 2007-12-14 19:40:27
"Kelowna RCMP have apologized to a 68-year-old man who was hit twice with a Taser as he sat in his car in downtown Kelowna last month.
RCMP Supt. Bill McKinnon says the officer who hit John Peters made a tactical error. But he said an administrative review of the incident found Peters was combative with the officer trying to arrest him.
McKinnon says a code of conduct investigation is underway as to whether the general public would find the officer's actions disgraceful and the officer, a four-year veteran, could face disciplinary action."
Also from CNEWS
"Its report makes 46 additional recommendations dealing with everything from recruitment and performance evaluations to public relations and ethics.
The hefty volume came the same day the beleaguered Mounties said they would restrict officer use of Tasers after a watchdog report criticized the police force for firing the stun guns too frequently."
CNEWS goes on to say..
"The RCMP says it will restrict its use of Tasers after a report criticized the national police force for firing the stun guns too often,"
EH?
tweetypie, 2007-12-14 18:33:43
He was tasered twice in order to bring him under enough control to be cuffed... since he kept fighting he was held down until he stopped resisting... this is proper procedure considering people have legs and still can pose just as much of a threat with their arms behind their back as when they are still gesturing aggressively.
Kids who are killed are gesturing as if they are pulling out weapons from clothing... Police training is to shoot as soon as the person makes a threatening gesture... whether that is reaching into a pocket, holding a knife (or even a stapler or water bottle), or raising a firearm!
This is the job of Police, to protect the public by neutralizing the risk of violence from individuals!
Just because 99% of all North Americans are ignorant of Law Enforcement and Security Procedure does not make lethal force any less necessary when it is used... or what the general public sees as excessive any less reasonable! The same can be said about the incidents at the Stanley Cup Final in 2006 in Edmonton when several people were given "brachial hits" (a hand hitting a pressure-point in the neck used to stun a resistant individual) which were perceived as being excessive, yet were exactly what Police and Security Personal are trained to do in order to keep control of situations!
Reverend Scott Robb, 2007-12-14 17:30:11
Further, if you beat someone up for doing something to you, or your family/friends and that person dies within "a year and a day" of that beating, under Canadian Law, you will go to jail for manslaughter or 2nd degree murder!
Grow up and leave such things to the professionals (properly trained Police and Security Officers who deal with this sort of thing all the time).
For the record, I am an academy trained security officer, graduated second in my class, and I have over three years of security experience in which I have been involved in the arrest of, so far, three individuals (one of which was arrested for possession of a concealed weapon)...
Reverend Scott Robb, 2007-12-14 17:19:19
frank, 2007-12-14 13:39:05
EH?
tweetypie, 2007-12-14 12:39:04
I know I can't kill someone like in the USA but I can sure make him realize his mistakes.
As for what Rodney King has done since he was beat half to death is irrelevant. It's obvious what the cops did to him was excess or they would not have been sent to jail for 30 months.
This shows that you are a narrow minded fool and can't see the truth.
You're defending the cops even when they are proved wrong and found guilty in a court of law.
As for anything being a weapon, I guess that's why cops have killed kids with cell phones, ipods etc.
And if you think what you say is true about cuffed and on your stomach then the cops didn't follow that procedure either.
It doesn't matter what way you look at it this guy should not have been tased twice, cuffed, and stepped on by 4 cops and all this before they even tried to figure out what he was saying.
vince, 2007-12-14 09:07:50
People have been killed by many objects and anything used the right way can kill you. Had a freind in a coma for one week falling and hitting his head on a curb.
wayne, 2007-12-13 16:17:16
Oh buy the way Rodney king had been in jail before that, and since then on assault and drug charges. He stiffed his lawyers and spent his settlement money.
Pillar of society.
But you seem to like those guys vince. Why don't you give the rodney kings of the world a call when you are in trouble.
wayne, 2007-12-13 16:14:37