Should teachers be held to a higher standard? Fri, February 26, 2010
WINNIPEG - Two academics are slamming Winnipeg's two "lap-dancing" high school teachers for what they charge is crossing a professional line, and likely severely damaging their credibility.
While the Winnipeg School Division investigates the conduct of the male and female teacher who spurred a storm of controversy with a raunchy and lewd dance performance last week in front of students at Churchill High School, psychologist Toby Rutner said the pair appears to have severely hurt their image as authority figures guiding impressional youths.
"I don't think it will have a devastating psychological effect on a kid because he witnessed two dogs going at it on the front lawn," Rutner said. "But this is a school, and these are teachers. Now it's difficult for us to respect them. In fact, it makes parents and everyone else question their judgment."
Shocked this wasn't in Saskatchewan! And to think, SO many good teachers have quit because they spent years on the sub list and couldn't get a FT position but these types, once they are hired, they are untouchable (unless they do this!)
candace, 2010-03-25 10:25:22
The Crusher, 2010-03-15 10:49:21 Posted in response to RALPH SMITH, 2010-03-14 13:48:18
"The fact remains that every successful private industry goes thru the trials of hiring and firing incompetitence. It is the reailty of life and business, but not for teachers. The rate of firing for incompetitence (sic) in the teachers union is far far far below average, simply because teachers are NOT fired for incompetitence (sic), but are shuffled off somewhere else."
EXACTLY. As I stated earlier the minimum one might expect in the private sector is a 1% thinning of the herd. There are over 150,000 teachers in Ontario yet NOT ONE HAS EVER BEEN FIRED FOR INCOMPETENCE. EVER. All the dead wood simply gets transferred.
Also, it is IMPOSSIBLE to flunk out of Teacher's College. One may be asked to voluntarily leave but cannot be denied accredidation.
Not_the_Daddy, 2010-03-18 12:17:04
It would be nice if they could teach their students to add and spell. Of course, every time they go on strike for MO MONEY and MO BENEFITS it would be nice if they didn't claim it was for their student's benefits.
Grasp this concept: teachers think 198 days is equivalent to 1 years work. I know a few miners, police officers and high riggers that would argue that suppostion.
Not _the_Daddy, 2010-03-18 05:21:56
Ralh, there are 2 sides to every story. No doubt your wife put in extra time and effort as there are still teachers out there who actually care about their jobs and put the effort into it to make sure it is done right. And nobody in the right mind would suggect its easy, esp in highschool where you now have to be concerned about things like assault. But your story would be the bright side of the coin. The fact remains that every successful private industry goes thru the trials of hiring and firing incompetitence. It is the reailty of life and business, but not for teachers. The rate of firing for incompetitence in the teachers union is far far far below average, simply because teachers are NOT fired for incompetitence, but are shuffled off somewhere else. They should all be held to a higher standard but instead are held to the lowest standard tht their powerful union are negotioate for them, at the expense of the children. Job security under a union blanket is one thing, but protection of the outright incompetitent is criminal and shameful, but hey,, when was the last time you encountered a union with shame?
Oh, and I'm sorry you can't claim you $50 ink. Lots of mature people do things like that for work all the time and don't fret about minor reinbursements AND don't whine about it. Welcome to the real world. You can cry me a river during your, what 12 weeks vacation per year (summer +Xmas+march break must equal 12 weeks if not more doesn't it?)
The Crusher, 2010-03-15 10:49:21
RE.. Teachers. what do you expect , MY WIFE HAS BEEN A TEACHER FOR 31 YRS. AND MAYBE MOST OF YOU PARENTS, TEACHER,S ARE ***NOW MOSTLY BABY SITTERS*** i have seen my wife on mumerous weekends , when we wen,t away for a short trip. and while sitting in our motel or hotel. she would be marking test papers & PLANNING THE NEXT DAY,S STUDENT WORK. AND AT HOME WHILE PREPARING TESTS , USE OUR PERSONAL COMPUTER , FOR SCHOOL. AND AS ANYONE KNOWS. THE INK , COSTS OVER $ 50.00 , AND CANNOT CLAIM THIS ON HER INCOME TAX. AND THEY ( TEACHERE,S ) DO NOT JUST WALK INTO SCHOOL AT 9 AM AND LEAVE AT 330PM. AND *** TOBY RUTER *** HAVE YOU EVER BEEN IN A MALL AND SEE THE ACTIONS OF SOME OF THESE TEENS ACTIONS. IF YOU HAVEMENT , POSSIBLY YOU SHOULD , VISIT A MALL NEAR A SCHOOL. AND HAVE AN EYE OPENER. POSSIBLY IT COULD OF BEEN ONE OF YOUR FINE BOY OR GIRL. OF COURSE THIS COULD NEVER HAPPEN WITH , A FATHER , WHO ***IS A PILLAR OF VIRTUE *** OR GO TO SCHOOL AS A VOLENTEER TEACHER AND HAVE A STUDENT ( SPIT ) IN YOUR FACE ) THEN COME BACK AND TELL US ALL WHAT YOU THINK. UARANTEED YOU WILL CHANGE YOUR TUNE, AND SEE WITH YOUR OWN EYES , WHAT OUR TEACHERS GO THROUGH. NOW YOU CAN SIT HOME , ON WELFARE AND SUCK UP A 24, AND HAVE THE TEACHER ** BABY SIT YOUR BRAT, NO ONE IS PERFECT , NOT EVEN YOU. IF YOU ARE I SURE WOULD ( LOVE ) TO SHAKE YOUR HAND . BECAUSE YOU,D BE THE ONLY ONE , THAT I KNOW OF WHO IS ***PERFECT ***IN THIS WORLD.
RALPH SMITH, 2010-03-14 13:48:18
What standards were our teachers here in Ontario meeting when they wore ani-Harris badges and spouted their usual socialist drivel??????????
Brigand, 2010-03-08 10:08:06
why would you pay to hear sarah palin make a speach she is as bright as a burnt out light bulb. why do people in canada act so stupid to pay someone as stupid as her to go and listen to her why dont you ask her what is the date today she will have it on her hand so she will know it I dont think the people in calgary is that hard up for some place to go on sat. night
e herseyn, 2010-03-06 16:24:08
Cappthook, 2010-03-05 13:38:50 Posted: "I atended my sons Grade 6 christmas concert this year and the first "act" was two girls doing a bump and grind dance routine to a Lady Gaga song."
You mean you attended your child's "HOLIDAY CONCERT"...schools aren't allowed to have Christmas concerts.
I just hope the images of those children "bumping and grinding" don't become part of some pedophile's catalogue.
Not_the_Daddy, 2010-03-06 09:48:51
I atended my sons Grade 6 christmas concert this year and the first "act" was two girls doing a bump and grind dance routine to a Lady Gaga song. These are Grade 6 kids. 10 and 11 year olds. I was absolutely shocked that the school would allow that kind of dance routine. It was very sexually explicit. I noticed many other parents in the audience were also appalled. When I spoke with the Principal about it she simply stated that they hadn't seen the dance routine ahead of time. Ummm WHY NOT??? She told me they were too busy to supervise every little routine for the Christmas concert.
Unbelievable
Cappthook, 2010-03-05 13:38:50
Teachers should teach proven science and not be Al Gore, socialist parrots and indoctrinators like they are now.
Our schools are turning out Liberals ans socialists and they're that way because they're taught to be that way.
Teachers should leave their politics at home, or THEY should stay at home.
Dave, 2010-03-05 09:03:13
Should teachers be held to a higher standard?
candace, 2010-03-25 10:25:22
"The fact remains that every successful private industry goes thru the trials of hiring and firing incompetitence. It is the reailty of life and business, but not for teachers. The rate of firing for incompetitence (sic) in the teachers union is far far far below average, simply because teachers are NOT fired for incompetitence (sic), but are shuffled off somewhere else."
EXACTLY. As I stated earlier the minimum one might expect in the private sector is a 1% thinning of the herd. There are over 150,000 teachers in Ontario yet NOT ONE HAS EVER BEEN FIRED FOR INCOMPETENCE. EVER. All the dead wood simply gets transferred.
Also, it is IMPOSSIBLE to flunk out of Teacher's College. One may be asked to voluntarily leave but cannot be denied accredidation.
Not_the_Daddy, 2010-03-18 12:17:04
Grasp this concept: teachers think 198 days is equivalent to 1 years work. I know a few miners, police officers and high riggers that would argue that suppostion.
Not _the_Daddy, 2010-03-18 05:21:56
Oh, and I'm sorry you can't claim you $50 ink. Lots of mature people do things like that for work all the time and don't fret about minor reinbursements AND don't whine about it. Welcome to the real world. You can cry me a river during your, what 12 weeks vacation per year (summer +Xmas+march break must equal 12 weeks if not more doesn't it?)
The Crusher, 2010-03-15 10:49:21
RALPH SMITH, 2010-03-14 13:48:18
Brigand, 2010-03-08 10:08:06
e herseyn, 2010-03-06 16:24:08
You mean you attended your child's "HOLIDAY CONCERT"...schools aren't allowed to have Christmas concerts.
I just hope the images of those children "bumping and grinding" don't become part of some pedophile's catalogue.
Not_the_Daddy, 2010-03-06 09:48:51
Unbelievable
Cappthook, 2010-03-05 13:38:50
Our schools are turning out Liberals ans socialists and they're that way because they're taught to be that way.
Teachers should leave their politics at home, or THEY should stay at home.
Dave, 2010-03-05 09:03:13